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ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
33. No.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 10:56 AM
Sep 2013

Just no. Don't know how else to say it.

1. Your contention that every group on DU is a men's group is so patently false that it seriously strains what little credibility you might have otherwise had. The demographics of DU, considered alone, without any of the obvious other evidence to suggest it considered (done some years ago, but I doubt it's changed much since) are heavily majority female. What ratio of female to male would be enough to convince you that this is not the case, that female points of view are more than well represented? 70%? 80%? Shall we go for the gold and say 100%?

2. There is no such thing as systemic oppression of the male sex, unless you count such things as shorter life spans due to a preponderance of men in hazardous work, bias by implication in family courts, over-representation of males in prison, under-representation of males in education (both as successful K-12 students, as college students, and graduates and as faculty), and a big pile of other things that I won't bother with, as the list is too extensive, has been discussed, and has typically fallen on the deaf ears of paleofeminists to which those discussions apply. It's likely you don't count them because it would imply that there is more to this equality thing than just what you consider important. Can't have that, now can we?

3. You seem to be confused as to what dogma is so here's a definition for you. Dogma is an unassailable view or framework of views prejudged to be correct by its adherents, even when evidence to the contrary is provided (and it has been, at length, and from many quarters, not just here), usually, but not explicity, as a part of a larger a philosophical or religious framework. And you are possessed of a dogmatic view. Sorry to say, but projecting your own dogmatism on to me, while rhetorically expected, doesn't change the fact that my view is not the dogmatic one.

I mean, really, a certain forum which shall remain nameless bans anyone who dares suggest even slightly that some of what they say is off-base, even in the most earnest interest of debating it, so how is that not dogmatic again?

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Not sure where this originated, but the quoted statement is sexist tripe Major Nikon Sep 2013 #1
Here ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #3
At least the peanut gallery is staying busy Major Nikon Sep 2013 #5
Wow.. Upton Sep 2013 #6
Uh oh. You said the magic "R" word.. opiate69 Sep 2013 #8
There are no radical feminists... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #12
You're also not a "real" feminist unless they've cleared you as such ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #14
And then, out of the other side of their mouths... opiate69 Sep 2013 #16
There are radical feminists who are sex positive and negative... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #19
it does seem sex is bad unless its within a narrow definition. loli phabay Oct 2013 #42
There are radical feminists. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #18
it depends on what kind you are, some are hateful of men, trans and anyone loli phabay Oct 2013 #46
Well, if 51% of us vote anything other than #4, we'll have to defer to the poster Doctor_J Sep 2013 #2
When I was younger... lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #4
Sort of the reverse situation here Doctor_J Sep 2013 #10
Disgustingly enough, those are the two adjectives hurled at gays and lesbians. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #7
Anyone who likes sex is going to be pathogilized for it Major Nikon Sep 2013 #9
a big issue is that people believe that what they are into is normal and others are wierd loli phabay Oct 2013 #44
My sexual appetite is so extreme... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #11
I don't see your vote in there. Doctor_J Sep 2013 #13
Normal, healthy Denninmi Sep 2013 #15
define normal and healthy, i guess different peoples mileage varies loli phabay Oct 2013 #39
Uh, what you said. Denninmi Oct 2013 #47
I really wonder just how much contact the HoFer's have with ordinary women, Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #17
I'd wager very little. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #20
The OP completely took what I said out of context. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #21
No, link's there. Plenty of context... ElboRuum Sep 2013 #22
Believe me, there hasn't been a single legitimately critical comment in this thread thus far. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #23
And the predictable, one-liner reply. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #24
My comment was made to reflect the predation and exploitation engrained into the male psyche... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #25
Your comment was made to reflect... ElboRuum Sep 2013 #26
Incorrect. There is no presumption made. It is the product of observation and critical analysis. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #27
Yikes. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #28
The reality is clear: Every group on DU is a men's group. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #29
No. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #33
Oh, don't you know? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #35
Er, you just did it again Doctor_J Sep 2013 #30
Keep in mind, this is the same poster who thinks... opiate69 Sep 2013 #36
being an asshole is being an asshole, end of. loli phabay Oct 2013 #45
some men want to be the prey also, its noy so black and white. loli phabay Oct 2013 #40
you understand neither predation nor the male psyche then. tillikum Oct 2013 #38
It would have made the poll too long. And by including only two of your insults Doctor_J Sep 2013 #31
Oh, I'm sorry quoting in totality my message would have made your poll too long. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #32
And it was the most damning aspects of your insult. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #34
interested in understanding where you are coming from with demeaning loli phabay Oct 2013 #43
Define excessive. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #37
three days, wow your almost a monk loli phabay Oct 2013 #41
Haha! PeteSelman Oct 2013 #48
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