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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. In all honesty, I'm more like a sort of light olive.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:47 AM
Feb 2014

It's nice. It ages well.

But seriously, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't feel "under attack". I just don't take DU seriously enough; certainly not the never-ending 'gendercratic underwar' part of it, anymore- to honestly give it that much mental energy.

My main takeaway from all that has gone down in GD is to step back and say "um, at the end of the day, remember, you are talking about a picture of 3 smiling young women in bathing suits on a sun-dappled beach. THAT is the source, the casus belli, of your week-long torrent of white-hot outrage."

And yes, it is. Whatever people want to read into it, or spin it up into additional layers of meaning, that's what the kerfluffle is at its core, about- women in bikinis on a beach.

I'm sorry, there's an upper limit to how serious I can take that shizzz. I don't pass the true progressive test, or the really-serious-about-doing-something-about-the-bikinification-of-society test, or whatever. So sue me.

But, crap --- I would never in a million years compare any of the shit I've dealt with (and I've dealt with some, but I fully admit I've been very fortunate in many areas) to the struggles of growing up Gay in the US--- or living in a particularly red area of it. You know me, I've been a consistent voice for LGBT rights my whole time on DU... I support you guys and stand with you 100%.

And women face issues and discrimination in our society too. The war on women is real. However, bikinis and models who choose to pose for beach pictures are NOT, IMNSHO, part of it. The people who want to outlaw birth control and abortion are the SAME people who would scrub the bikini pictures from the magazine covers. It's not a question of the two things surreptitiously working together- the sexual revolution, as despised as it apparently still is in some corners, is AT ODDS with the war on women, not part of it. The freedom for men and women to pose scantily clad for pictures is the SAME freedom that is gradually bringing this country up to speed on matters of LGBT equality.

The disconnect, the REFUSAL to grok that, is what gets me, at times.

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You provide a good example mokawanis Feb 2014 #1
Thank you very much. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #6
You make a good point... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #2
I apprecaite your comment. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #7
I think very few of us are the actual pages. Most everyone lives somewhere in between. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #28
aw hell, there it is hfojvt Feb 2014 #29
Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #30
The answer to your first question is, no I can't imagine it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #3
Thanks for your comments. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #8
does that work both ways though hfojvt Feb 2014 #31
Rail at God for what he has done. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #33
In all honesty, I'm more like a sort of light olive. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #4
It is interesting some are seeing this as a "gender" issue. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #9
Gotcha. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #10
Oh you were, I just wanted to be more clear too. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #11
Oh yeah, one more thing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #5
Congratulations on twelve years of happiness. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #12
Thanks so much. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #13
Darn. Well is at least peaceful there? In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #15
For the most part, it is quite peaceful and low crime. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #16
I always got stuck doing the ironing when I lived with my aunt and uncle. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #17
The thing about linen is that like silk, it lasts forever Major Nikon Feb 2014 #23
First, congratulations on 12 years. Here's to many, many more... opiate69 Feb 2014 #14
Thanks, and yes, that was my larger point. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #18
I'll be looking for an invitation, then! opiate69 Feb 2014 #19
Hell yeah. The dam is bursting, thankfully. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #20
And on that note: Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #21
First I'm rec'ing this OP. westerebus Feb 2014 #22
Thank you and seems we have something in common. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #25
Returning a gesture (of kindness) brings understanding. westerebus Feb 2014 #27
I am in a similar situation to you ... kwassa Feb 2014 #24
Your situation is also an issue. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #26
Not to make light or divert, but there is a business, here. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #32
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