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Catherina

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15. It could be. Not being a man, it's hard for me to gauge
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jun 2012

The thing I like the most is that rather than women saying "YO!" in an accusatory manner, this is men telling other men that good, decent men hold the real key to put an end to this. If women could have, this would have ended long ago but we haven't been able to.

It was news to me that there were mens' organizations out there that even cared. I know many men care, but seeing an organization set up to talk to young men, impressed me.

Also, it may seem anachronistic to you but it's making younger men, who aren't as progressive, think hard.

We're talking manbox here, so I'm totally out of my element but I do know there's a way to talk to young boys and help them grow as men, a way to raise them as macho jerks and sadly a way to unwittingly make them feel emasculated.

My mom raised 7 girls and 1 boy. All the girls are fine and strong and independent. She treated us all equally and demanded the same from all 8. This wasn't a problem for any of us, except my brother, who came out of the whole experience feeling emasculated because my mom walked all over my father, hard, and also because we were treated equally with no special privileges for him. Now he's a macho jerk. When I hear Porter talk, I think of my brother. Obviously I'm not the best judge but it doesn't sound anachronistic to me.

I'm very interested in what you guys have to say and your reaction to it.

I'd like to add one more thing. I think men have come a long way, just as White people in the US have, when it comes to recognizing we're all created equal. It's just that we all fall short sometimes and talking about it is always good.

I think you already know that I see the real problem as a class issue and not gender but there are still gender issues there because of the way we're all raised.

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Tony Porter Ted talk; A call to men. [View all] lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 OP
Thoughts? One, its really long. I only got about half through. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #1
Boring, irrelevant male bashing Cayenne Jun 2012 #2
I thought it was thought provoking. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #4
Certainly I couldn't identify with the anecdotes of his youth either. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #6
I'll always watch a recommended TED Talks. Gore1FL Jun 2012 #3
I don't agree with your last paragraph. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #5
Women can break the man box in a different way Gore1FL Jun 2012 #7
... a way of their choosing. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #8
That's sort of my point. Gore1FL Jun 2012 #9
That particular talk was given at a women's conference (TEDWoman) Catherina Jun 2012 #10
You're welcome to participate in the discussion, here, Catherina. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #11
It could be. Not being a man, it's hard for me to gauge Catherina Jun 2012 #15
So straight up, honest question, Catherina: Looking at the videos, it seems geared in large part Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #13
I wondered that too Catherina Jun 2012 #14
Anecdotally, it seems like there are some entrenched attitudes, for instance, in many AA communities Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #17
Would you agree that his point about decent men getting more involved Catherina Jun 2012 #20
Maybe the difference is, where some people see monolithic forces like culture, I see individuals. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #23
How about the young kids on the fence who don't even know they're on the fence? Catherina Jun 2012 #27
I'm unequivocally against things like violence and abuse. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #29
Yes it is a real phenomenon Catherina Jun 2012 #38
I'm trying to imagine myself into the situation you're putting out there, & drawing kind of a blank Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #39
Saved by paragraph 2 Catherina Jun 2012 #40
And I absolutely think the guy in the video whose neighbor was belting his son during a game of Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #41
I don't mind Catherina Jun 2012 #42
Hmm. Okay, my response. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #43
I appreciate your participation. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jun 2012 #19
Texas was my big awakening about sexism Catherina Jun 2012 #21
You couldn't pay me enough Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #25
Bad answer! Catherina Jun 2012 #28
Hey, to each his or her own. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #30
I'm curious as to the actual specifics of the incident or incidents you are talking about. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jun 2012 #26
So really, to you, this is about porn, and not so much about men being told not to express emotion. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #31
no. really it is not. it is so beyond that. but, then i am not surprised you get this. i will seabeyond Jun 2012 #32
You could work on being a little more linear, frankly. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #33
there was a lot of instances about a lot of different things. seabeyond Jun 2012 #34
Do you think that men enjoying looking at naked women is a "problem" that needs correcting? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #35
2 and 4 yr old and 10 and 12 yr old are "men" to you? i think this would be another example of what seabeyond Jun 2012 #36
I responded to that, upthread, although frankly your anecdote was non-linear and hard to understand. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #37
Here's an example of how NOT to raise a son (or any kid) Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #12
That's terrible! Just reading the story was enough :( n/t Catherina Jun 2012 #16
Yeah. Awful. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #18
I just watched it again Catherina Jun 2012 #22
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