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Warren DeMontague

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37. I responded to that, upthread, although frankly your anecdote was non-linear and hard to understand.

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 09:24 PM

Jun 2012

But I think the question is legitimate, and I would like an answer to it:

do you think that adult men enjoying looking at adult naked women is a "problem" that needs correcting?

I ask, because whereas this thread obstensibly is about helping men escape from the so-called "man box" in terms of not being allowed to express emotion, etc. you have managed to allude to well-known tropes about "problems" around masculinity having to do with things like pin up calendars and Hooters.

No, I don't think adult things are appropriate for kids. But the question, because presumably you brought these things up as examples of the terrible influences which lead to "bad" masculinity, is relevant about adults.

So, yeah, I'd like a straightforward answer on that.

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Tony Porter Ted talk; A call to men. [View all] lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 OP

Thoughts? One, its really long. I only got about half through. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #1

Boring, irrelevant male bashing Cayenne Jun 2012 #2

I thought it was thought provoking. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #4

Certainly I couldn't identify with the anecdotes of his youth either. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #6

I'll always watch a recommended TED Talks. Gore1FL Jun 2012 #3

I don't agree with your last paragraph. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #5

Women can break the man box in a different way Gore1FL Jun 2012 #7

... a way of their choosing. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #8

That's sort of my point. Gore1FL Jun 2012 #9

That particular talk was given at a women's conference (TEDWoman) Catherina Jun 2012 #10

You're welcome to participate in the discussion, here, Catherina. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #11

It could be. Not being a man, it's hard for me to gauge Catherina Jun 2012 #15

So straight up, honest question, Catherina: Looking at the videos, it seems geared in large part Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #13

I wondered that too Catherina Jun 2012 #14

Anecdotally, it seems like there are some entrenched attitudes, for instance, in many AA communities Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #17

Would you agree that his point about decent men getting more involved Catherina Jun 2012 #20

Maybe the difference is, where some people see monolithic forces like culture, I see individuals. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #23

How about the young kids on the fence who don't even know they're on the fence? Catherina Jun 2012 #27

I'm unequivocally against things like violence and abuse. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #29

Yes it is a real phenomenon Catherina Jun 2012 #38

I'm trying to imagine myself into the situation you're putting out there, & drawing kind of a blank Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #39

Saved by paragraph 2 Catherina Jun 2012 #40

And I absolutely think the guy in the video whose neighbor was belting his son during a game of Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #41

I don't mind Catherina Jun 2012 #42

Hmm. Okay, my response. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #43

I appreciate your participation. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jun 2012 #19

Texas was my big awakening about sexism Catherina Jun 2012 #21

You couldn't pay me enough Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #25

Bad answer! Catherina Jun 2012 #28

Hey, to each his or her own. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #30

I'm curious as to the actual specifics of the incident or incidents you are talking about. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jun 2012 #26

So really, to you, this is about porn, and not so much about men being told not to express emotion. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #31

no. really it is not. it is so beyond that. but, then i am not surprised you get this. i will seabeyond Jun 2012 #32

You could work on being a little more linear, frankly. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #33

there was a lot of instances about a lot of different things. seabeyond Jun 2012 #34

Do you think that men enjoying looking at naked women is a "problem" that needs correcting? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #35

2 and 4 yr old and 10 and 12 yr old are "men" to you? i think this would be another example of what seabeyond Jun 2012 #36

I responded to that, upthread, although frankly your anecdote was non-linear and hard to understand. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #37

Here's an example of how NOT to raise a son (or any kid) Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #12

That's terrible! Just reading the story was enough :( n/t Catherina Jun 2012 #16

Yeah. Awful. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #18

I just watched it again Catherina Jun 2012 #22