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tonedevil

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63. How do you envision...

Sun Mar 22, 2015, 12:27 PM

Mar 2015

this happening? Baseline assumption woman says let's have sex, but you need to wear a condom. If the man does not put on said condom, the woman reiterates that the condom is required, the man continues the act over her objections. Can we agree that is unambiguously rape? How about if the man does not put on a condom, proceeds to continue the sex, but this time the woman although not wanting to doesn't take this opportunity to reiterate her requirement? Lastly, what if the man puts the condom on, but purposely slips it off and the woman is unaware until the act is completed.
I believe that any of those scenarios can see the man successfully prosecuted for rape. The only way to avoid that is if he gets pretty clear consent to disregard the wear a condom condition. Reality is that the man is rarely going to face any consequences. The woman is going to be subject to slut shaming and subjected to a general disbelief that she "resisted enough".
So no I don't belive "have sex without a condom" is mentioned in any rape laws. I also don't see how you are not having unconsentual sex If that is a condition and you ignore it.

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Not using a condom when you promise to is unacceptable. [View all] Bonobo Mar 2015 OP

If you consent to have sex with someone provided they use a condom and they don't PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #1

I think so, yes. Bonobo Mar 2015 #2

It may not meet the strict definition of rape, however, its is, without a doubt, sexual assault. Veilex Mar 2015 #5

If wrapping it is a condition for consent then yes, it is. PeteSelman Mar 2015 #3

So logically then, it would follow that other conditions not being met would also make it "rape" Bonobo Mar 2015 #4

"Would breaking those conditions make it "rape"?" - Those conditions are absurd and unrealistic. Veilex Mar 2015 #6

By that logic a woman claiming to be on BC duplicitously is "tantamount to rape" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #7

I happen to be of the opinion that a women lieing to a man about being on the pill and coexing him.. Veilex Mar 2015 #9

Not having sex at all is also a choice which hasn't been deprived in this scenario Major Nikon Mar 2015 #14

"Not having sex at all is also a choice" - I kinda just said that. Veilex Mar 2015 #16

I'm not creating a false equivalency, I'm pointing out one Major Nikon Mar 2015 #17

Your completely missing the point. Veilex Mar 2015 #18

Because I don't agree with your false assertion, doesn't mean I'm missing your point Major Nikon Mar 2015 #19

That you agree or not is irrelevent. Veilex Mar 2015 #20

Non-sequitur Major Nikon Mar 2015 #21

No, that's not a non-sequiter. You're splitting hairs. Veilex Mar 2015 #22

Just one sexual assault statute that mentions codom use is fine Major Nikon Mar 2015 #23

"mentions codom use" - You've added artificial requirements. Veilex Mar 2015 #25

You stole my line! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #28

"If two people agree to have sex, then it's not rape." - except that your ignoring the precondition. Veilex Mar 2015 #31

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #36

The op isn't about the pill. Veilex Mar 2015 #38

It's the exact same standard Major Nikon Mar 2015 #39

You're on the losing end of an argument so you distract away from it and... Veilex Mar 2015 #43

Danth's Law applies well here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #47

retroactive consent lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #40

Actually... Veilex Mar 2015 #42

Getting arrested and being put in jail is not "legal jurisprudence" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #44

I don't think so. Veilex Mar 2015 #46

Your entire argument is nothing but a double standard Major Nikon Mar 2015 #48

Do you have a case citation for the one case that resulted in jail JimDandy Mar 2015 #51

"Do you have a case citation for the one case" - I do not. Veilex Mar 2015 #52

There are potential consequences occurring to both parties, but it ain't assault. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #66

Condoms protect against AIDS and other STDs, birth control pills do not. They're not equivalent. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #60

Which was never the point Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

Oh, I thought it had already been determined that framing it as a simple prayin4rain Mar 2015 #62

Is "I'm on the pill! Honest!" Rape? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #8

Nothing about "I'm on the pill! Honest!" stops you from using a condom. Veilex Mar 2015 #10

unless youre in a commited relationship and havent been using them at her request b/c she's Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #11

In that scenario, there are bigger things at issue. Namely issues of trust between the two of you. Veilex Mar 2015 #12

she wanted to get married and thought this was the way to go about it, i guess Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #13

Some women are in love with the idea of being in love and/or having kids. Veilex Mar 2015 #15

A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #33

"A reversible male contraceptive is way overdue." - Totally! Veilex Mar 2015 #35

All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries (of course) lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #41

"All of the major research on the topic is happening in other countries " Veilex Mar 2015 #45

Somthing else I've noticed with the notion of the male BC pill... Veilex Mar 2015 #57

Exactly. I am convinced that this is the main stumbling block. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #58

Yeah...given the option, I'm pretty sure a heck of alot of men would use it. Veilex Mar 2015 #59

What an awful misogynistic comment: JimDandy Mar 2015 #53

"Let me educate you" - No, allow me to educate you, ma'am... Veilex Mar 2015 #54

Your comment is very clear JimDandy Mar 2015 #55

Riiiight... enjoy your own confirmation bias. Veilex Mar 2015 #56

You will likely not get an answer to the question. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #24

That implies sex has value Major Nikon Mar 2015 #26

As I understand it, petty theft. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #27

I would not be surprised at all if duplicitously claiming to use BC has been interpreted as a crime Major Nikon Mar 2015 #29

Arguably, unplanned pregnancy does have a cost. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #30

Yes, consequences tend to have costs associated Major Nikon Mar 2015 #32

The purpose of condoms and birth control are to mitigate risk. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #34

True Major Nikon Mar 2015 #37

No, I think that it is a crime, or at least a law that should exist ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2015 #49

Indeed Veilex Mar 2015 #50

How do you envision... tonedevil Mar 2015 #63

If either party objects to sex and sex procedes, it's rape Major Nikon Mar 2015 #64

Rather simple, isn't it. nt Bonobo Mar 2015 #65