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In reply to the discussion: is there actually people who believe that all men are rapists and attracted to little girls [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)62. Point by point
Is your claim here that we are not a patriarchal culture?
No, but I think you're confused about what the patriarchy entails. The violence against women act (in which the sentence is determined based on the gender of the victim), the male only draft, the fact that 92% of workplace fatalities are men, the preferential treatment given to women in school are all dependent on one basic social principle: women's lives are more valuable, and that men are comparatively dispensible.
That's the patriarchy. Men make the decisions on how best to protect the women. Rape isn't sanctioned by the patriarchy and never was.
I start from we are in fact a patriarchal culture, this is a male dominated society. This is about as controversial to me as racism or homophobia.
I disagree, and looking at any meaningful statistic of collective social health, men are at the bottom of the list. If it's a male dominated society, it manifests itself in odd ways. Men get less education, go to jail, commit suicide, die on the job, are more likely to be unemployed, die of preventable causes and are victims of violence more often than women. Is the fact that blacks suffer all of the previous social problems relative to whites, evidence of their dominant role?
But my point is not "rape is acceptable behavior", my point is that rape is stunningly frequent and we should do something about that. One suggestion I have is that we should change the cultural norms for acceptable behavior with respect to women in public. Every time I try to get you all to understand why this would be a good idea, a lot of people here seem to think I am calling them rapists or equating overt sexual propositions with rape. Overt sexual propositions to complete strangers are RUDE, but they aren't rape. Is that clear? They are an invasive intrusion into somebody else's space, and are, in my opinion, appropriate only in circumstances where it is clearly understood that this is expected. The behavior is rude precisely because we have A HUGE PROBLEM WITH RAPE. I don't know how to get through to you all that the women receiving these uninvited advances CANNOT DETERMINE WHICH SORT OF MAN YOU ARE. In fact I give up.
My approach toward "doing something" about the crime of rape is identical to my approach toward doing something about bank robbery or murder. Support laws that inflict appropriate punishments on the perpetrators.
But to you that's obviously not enough. Maybe if I rend my garments, gnash my teeth loudly, and proclaim my culpability for the criminal behavior of others, stupid frat boys won't risk prison by having sex with drunk girls.
Keep it up men, this is the world you have made, no problem, nothing wrong, no need to change.
According to at least one study, the incidence of rape has declined 85% in the last 30 years.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013
Is that "the world I have made"? If so, maybe a little credit is due.
One last point. In the men's group there won't be universal agreement on any issue. The above is my view, to which I am as entitled as you are to yours. It is not about doctrine, it is about what interests you.
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is there actually people who believe that all men are rapists and attracted to little girls [View all]
loli phabay
Aug 2012
OP
that is a novel, and what you posted is a literary device known as hyperbole.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#3
You equated a man who talked to a woman in an elevator with a serial killer/rapist
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#10
You can look at a random person for a few seconds and determine her entire life-experience
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#17
No I said you could not sustain your assertion that 0.1% of men commit all the rapes.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#14
Well logically it has to fall somewhere between 1 person and 51 million men (16%)
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#24
You actually believe about 1 in 15 of the men you meet are rapists?
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#31
Yep, a small number among those who aren't caught, & none of them consider what they did as rape. nt
redqueen
Aug 2012
#72
Since one in 18 men (5.5%) are CURRENTLY behind bars or being monitored,
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2012
#67
I'm curious what those stats would be if they included statutory rape
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#20
you tell me. I don't know. I objected to the assertion that 99.9% arent.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#37
You've been presented with the data to back up my assertion that the number
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#43
There were the famous flaps on some College Campuses in the late 80s, early 90s
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#52