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In reply to the discussion: Masturbating to Einstein [View all]

Warren DeMontague

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16. I just don't buy the idea that there's anything "base" or "lower" or somehow degrading about desire.
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:55 PM
May 2013

Or physical attraction. For lack of a better word, Lust.

Certainly- and I've said this before- much of what is labeled as instances of "objectification" (and, as is clearly laid out in the other thread, when you try to drill down to the essence of what, specifically, that word actually means, there is no there there) could be much better described simply as physical attraction with a concurrent lack or failure of empathy.

Which, personally, I think leads to bad sex. Purely superficial sex is one kind of sex, I don't think it is "wrong" sex but it's not what I would personally consider the best sex.

And I find brains and heart irresistably sexy. They work in conjuction with physical attraction, but they're by no means incompatible or somehow at cross purposes.

But again, this idea that physical desire, "lust" is in itself bad or degrading or dirty or nasty or somehow inferior or shameful-- where the fuck does that come from, if NOT religion?

I mean, shit, do the math.

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Masturbating to Einstein [View all] Bonobo May 2013 OP
"E=MC...LOVIN!" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #1
masturbation "fodder" for women has nothing to do with looks galileoreloaded May 2013 #2
It depends on the age of the woman Major Nikon May 2013 #3
Ability to provide is an intellectual exercise. Little to do with attraction. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #10
Physical attraction, yes Major Nikon May 2013 #14
Two things: Bonobo May 2013 #4
Okay, serious answer? Some people are resolutely convinced that physical attraction is inherently Warren DeMontague May 2013 #5
It comes from the noble idea that people should only be valued for their mind Major Nikon May 2013 #15
I just don't buy the idea that there's anything "base" or "lower" or somehow degrading about desire. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16
Yeah, religion is it. The idea that "lust" is sinful, along with the mind/body dualism nomorenomore08 May 2013 #27
I am not sure I follow. Behind the Aegis May 2013 #6
Let me try to explain. Bonobo May 2013 #7
OK. I understand now. I agree. Behind the Aegis May 2013 #8
Well, that's a new one. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #9
Good to know. Knowing the *real* powerball odds, I can save that $1 a week. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #12
Einstein is an object. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #11
Ghosts are not objects. Dreams are not Objects. Interest rates are not objects. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #13
OK, I've got a question, then. ElboRuum May 2013 #17
Like I said, I think a lot of what gets filed under 'objectification' can be more accurately Warren DeMontague May 2013 #18
I guess the point I'm making... ElboRuum May 2013 #19
Yeah, I think you and I are basically saying the same thing. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20
I never thought I'd say this, but I want Einstein's Abs. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #21
Here you go! Bonobo May 2013 #22
I prefer to actually strap an actual washboard to my belly. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #23
They sure do! opiate69 May 2013 #24
Believe it or not, my mother's name is McCree. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #25
Must resist..... opiate69 May 2013 #26
Hard to believe the guy was ever that young, skinny, and/or clean-shaven... nomorenomore08 May 2013 #28
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