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Bonobo

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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:50 PM Jun 2013

Yes, Misandry IS a "thing". [View all]

http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2013-04-why-feminists-should-stop-saying-misandry-doesnt-exi

What feminists mean when they say "misandry isn’t a thing" is that because our society systematically privileges men and disempowers women, misogyny serves a different cultural purpose, has different and more damaging impacts and grows from different roots to misandry. To a certain extent I agree with that, but saying misandry is not the mirror image of misogyny does not mean that misandry does not exist at all. I believe that arguing that misandry isn’t real is damaging to men, damaging to women, and damaging to the struggle for social justice.

I would distinguish three common varieties of misandry that are most definitely real. The first is a personal prejudice, which may often arise from damaging or hurtful experiences at the hands of men, creating a negative stereotype heuristic. This may not be admirable, but it is often understandable. The second is an ideological misandry arising from certain strains of radical feminism, roughly caricatured as the "all men are rapists" tendency. I think such ideas are wrong and harmful, but I’m also far from convinced that these people are anywhere close to being numerous or powerful enough to cause any real damage, except perhaps to feminism itself.

The third variety of misandry is the one that seriously concerns me, and it is worth looking in detail at what it is and what it does. Cultural misandry is a significant force in policing and constraining the roles of men, and indeed women in society. Our capitalist hegemonic culture (or patriarchy, if you prefer) considers it acceptable to routinely mock and denigrate men’s domestic and child-caring abilities because this acts strongly to discourage deviations from the gender status quo, from which vested interests profit. Our culture systematically devalues male deaths (in news reports specifying numbers of deaths of women and children, for instance) because economic interests require a degree of male disposability in the workplace and military interests may require the mass dispatch of young men to die on battlefields at a moment’s notice. When society mocks and reviles male victims of domestic violence and sexual abuse, the subtext is that it is women’s place to be victimized and oppressed, not men’s.

When feminists say that misandry isn’t a thing, what I hear is that these issues are so minor, so marginal that they are insignificant. It is not just that they are unworthy of attention, they are not even worthy of a word to describe them. If Lindy West really wants more men to be allies to the feminist movement and wants us to believe that feminism really is on our side, then I struggle to see how this type of rhetoric is in any way helpful.
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Yes, Misandry IS a "thing". [View all] Bonobo Jun 2013 OP
I really hate to be a dick. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #1
MrSlayer... Bonobo Jun 2013 #2
Well have at it brother. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #3
Yes. I do. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #4
Why give a shit about any social issue? Major Nikon Jun 2013 #5
Okay. Seeing it laid out this way, I'm certainly less inclined to be dismissive. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #6
Some people do hate men, ergo, "misandry" exists. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #7
However you slice it, neither gender gets a great deal in this society. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #8
Yes it is. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #9
I don't think it's less common. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #10
The difference comes in what is accepted. Pab Sungenis Aug 2013 #12
thanks for the information refrescanos Jul 2013 #11
Hate is a thing. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #13
And white people are just as oppressed as black people YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #14
Funny Major Nikon Aug 2013 #15
In what ways would you measure white privilege? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #16
Another thing to add to this Major Nikon Aug 2013 #17
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