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Javaman

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22. I agree, but first it's demand. Then it's supply.
Thu May 17, 2012, 11:28 AM
May 2012

as population grows demand goes up. When demand is unable to be supplied then it becomes a supply issue.

But supply problems only happen when their isn't enough product.

Right now, the good sweet crude is just about gone, however, there is lots of the sour sulfur rich crappy crude left. That is the rub. That sour stuff is harder to get to. It takes longer to refine, more money to refine and is locate in tar sands, shale and in some of the deepest regions in the ocean (huge pressures and heat require new tech to be able extract it). More over, the larger fields are running out or fouling and require new tech to refine the fouled crude.

We have passed peak in production, meaning the world is hard pressed to get more out of the ground with current tech. That is where meeting demand becomes a problem. Next will be the failing of the smaller reserves and the inability to find adequate new fields to supplement the loss. That is when things get really scary.

We are just at the beginning of plateau. We will have a really bumpy ride for a few years. When the good stuff is all gone an we have to count on only the sour stuff to fuel our needs then things will begin to drop fast.

this is why many of the current models show that around 2020 as being the break point. But that is also contingent on the worlds economy bouncing back and the need for oil increases.

This is the main reason why Peak Oil hasn't hit us full bore just yet. The recession/depression has been a blessing of sorts because in a down economy, people use less raw materials, thus delaying Peak.

Ironically, the debt crisis in Europe might mitigate Peak even further. Which opens up a paradox, during this time nations could be exploring alternative means for power, yet, because of the bad economy, nations don't have the capital to spend to explore those other means. It becomes a snake feeding on it's tail.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 OP
So peak oil is a farce? nt LARED Mar 2012 #1
lots of people think so NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #8
Do you know what Peak Oil means? Javaman Apr 2012 #12
Yeah. Peak Oil: deadinsider May 2012 #17
ummm OnTheOtherHand Mar 2012 #2
It's not a "daily" process William Seger Mar 2012 #3
it appears as if you are part of the "anaerobic fossil fuels crew" Javaman Mar 2012 #4
Yessss... Finally. Say it with me. Speck-You-Lay-Shun. Of the creative type. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #5
that well may not be deep enough to tap into abiotic oil sources NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #10
"other wells that have refilled elsewhere." Javaman Apr 2012 #11
Nature will store excess CO2 as carbohydrate. GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #6
Yep libodem Apr 2012 #7
petri dish and agar NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #9
I ponder the abiotic oil theory libodem Apr 2012 #13
Do you know the definition of Peak Oil? Javaman Apr 2012 #14
Now I do libodem Apr 2012 #15
Java guy; Peak Oil is about SUPPLY deadinsider May 2012 #18
Here you go... Javaman May 2012 #19
Actually it's both, I guess.. deadinsider May 2012 #20
I agree, but first it's demand. Then it's supply. Javaman May 2012 #22
Again: we disagree on the terminology, but our endgame is the same deadinsider May 2012 #23
Reminds me of a story. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #16
So we're gonna power everything with olives? nt deadinsider May 2012 #21
Thanks. I was trying to point out what you are pointing out. JDPriestly May 2012 #24
I think its too late to scale back gyroscope May 2012 #25
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