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Betty Karlson

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Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:04 AM Dec 2011

Languages you didn't know you borrow words from (1) [View all]

Let's discuss some of the linguistic history of the English language.

We all know that English is what you get when you mix Angles and Saxons (with a hint of Jutes and Frisians) and top it off with a liberal dose of French. Most of us probably know that there is a susbstantial body of loan words from the Norse and Danish languages. Some Celtic, obviously, must not be forgotten.

But there are substratums (layers of loan words) that you didn't know about. You may not even have heard of the languages they have been derived from. And we might as well discuss them, just because we can.

Part 1: The Cananephates

Cananephates/ Kaninefaten/ Cananafati were swineherds in what is now The Netherlands. They had settled in the only place that, BCE, was habitable (no dykes and polders yet): the coast. Their language may or may not have been related to the languages of the European Hydronyms System. The EHS were the predominant group of languages in Western Europe before Celts, Italians, and Germanic tribes stomped in and took over the place(s). Little of them remains, exept a tendency to call a river something with R(h) and N - like Rhine, Rhône, Arno, Irno, and so on.

There is indeed a river Rijn floating through the coastal regions of the Netherlands. But the Cananephates left another contribution to the history of our language: swineherding jargon.

It is in the nature of any language to copy foreign words for distinctions that their own vocabulary doesn't make. That's why we don't say Bread Disc, but Pizza. That's why we don't say super-king, but emperor. And that is why we talk about pigs and soughs. Because those words were copied into the Saxonian and Frisian languages - and later retained in the developing English language) from the language of the Cananephates. Pig (Big in Dutch and Frisian) and Sough (Zeug, Sau) made meanings possible that the old word Swine just didn't cover or specify. As did a lot of swineherding oddities that haven't made it to our digital era.

The Cananephates are not attested in AD years. The toponyms at the Dutch coast indicate that they were violently replaced by the Frisians, before those gave way to the Saxons and Franks. Almost nothing of them remains, except some words for the animal you show to your son or daughter says: "oink".

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English's usage of "do" as a dummy verb is a Welsh influence. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #1
That would be a grammatical substratum. Betty Karlson Dec 2011 #2
A borrowing from French is our use of the object pronouns as emphatics Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #4
And the Italians would say "Sono io" I am I Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #5
English has to some extent been absorbed into the West Romance sprachbund. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #18
That is not exactly right. OldEurope Jun 2015 #29
There is a strong Old Norse adstratum. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #17
Case and gender still survive in English, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #28
In the case of "do you speak English" Welsh doesn't change word order for a question geardaddy Dec 2011 #3
The Celtic languages are awesome. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #19
Yep! geardaddy Jan 2012 #20
P celtic is said to have african syntax refrescanos Jul 2013 #24
Interesting! geardaddy Jul 2013 #25
messed up refrescanos Jul 2013 #26
Two borrowings from Japanese: Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #6
I thought Tycoon was Chinese. pink-o Jan 2012 #7
Typhoon is Chinese geardaddy Jan 2012 #10
That's Interesting. Wolf Frankula Jan 2012 #8
Soughs? IntravenousDemilo Jan 2012 #9
Pidgin geardaddy Jan 2012 #11
brasserie geardaddy Jan 2012 #12
Hindi: Shampoo and Pajamas pink-o Jan 2012 #13
I think Thug comes from Hindi, too. geardaddy Jan 2012 #14
Other words from Arabic A777 Jan 2012 #15
Same with zero, alcohol, algebra, several names of stars (Altair, Betelgeuse), and magazine NuclearDem Jul 2013 #27
"tea" comes from Min-nan (Taiwanese Hokkien) geardaddy Jan 2012 #16
'Boondocks' comes from Tagalog RZM Jan 2012 #21
"Amok" as in "run amok" comes from Malay Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #22
I was going to enter "Amok", you beat me to it.. years ago! vkkv Mar 2016 #30
Spam deleted by MaineDem (MIR Team) bestbagsforu Apr 2012 #23
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