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In reply to the discussion: In the case of the praying football coach, both sides invoke religious freedom [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(65,266 posts)19. Ummmmmmm, close, but...
A lot of quotes attributed to Jefferson aren't things he said. This one is a lot closer than most, but let's go to the source to see what he really did say.
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Thomas Jefferson and Religious Freedom
An Article Courtesy Of The Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia. Click For More.
Thomas Jefferson has been closely associated with religious freedom for more than two centuries. In the first Supreme Court case addressing the religion clauses of the First Amendment, Reynolds v. United States, the Court unanimously agreed that Jeffersons Statute for Religious Freedom defined religious liberty and the true distinction between what properly belongs to the church and what to the State.
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ADDITIONAL QUOTES
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.19
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- John Ragosta, 4/16/18
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19.Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802, in PTJ, 36:258. Transcription available at Founders Online.
Thomas Jefferson and Religious Freedom
An Article Courtesy Of The Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia. Click For More.
Thomas Jefferson has been closely associated with religious freedom for more than two centuries. In the first Supreme Court case addressing the religion clauses of the First Amendment, Reynolds v. United States, the Court unanimously agreed that Jeffersons Statute for Religious Freedom defined religious liberty and the true distinction between what properly belongs to the church and what to the State.
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ADDITIONAL QUOTES
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.19
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- John Ragosta, 4/16/18
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19.Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802, in PTJ, 36:258. Transcription available at Founders Online.
V. To the Danbury Baptist Association, 1 January 1802
V. To the Danbury Baptist Association
Gentlemen Jan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th: Jefferson
V. To the Danbury Baptist Association
Gentlemen Jan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th: Jefferson
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In the case of the praying football coach, both sides invoke religious freedom [View all]
mahatmakanejeeves
Apr 2022
OP
IMO, there has never been anything quiet or private about christianity. Just the
walkingman
Apr 2022
#14
Even apart from the obvious First Amendment issues, praying for a sport victory
Ocelot II
Apr 2022
#2
Many of our right wing brethren want to put public prayer and the Bible back in the schools.
keithbvadu2
Apr 2022
#11
The parents who approve of christian prayers in public schools are the same ones who support
sop
Apr 2022
#13
I'm assuming this is being done by Christians and I suppose that despite religious freedom being
Karadeniz
Apr 2022
#17
What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge?
keithbvadu2
Apr 2022
#21