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In reply to the discussion: Heaven or hell? [View all]

H2O Man

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18. Nice!
Tue Oct 14, 2025, 12:44 PM
Oct 14

I used to get a kick out of when an audience member would ask Carl Sagan if he believed in god? He would ask them to define "god." The response was almost always, "You know. God." And Sagan would mention the god of Einstein and Spinoza. The questioner was most likely confused by that!

For the past thirty years, I've inhabited a house that was a stagecoach station, located just west of what had been the Fort Stanwix Treaty Line until the Revolution. It was built in the 1790s, and luckily for me, some of the former inhabitants were talented carpenters and gardners. The large flower beds a lady made seventy-odd years ago are still here. The stone walls from way back still stand. I admire these things -- for three of the four seasons, when they aren't covered in snow -- when I take the dog for a walk through the woods and swamp, to feed the fish and birds out at my pond.

Today, I have "face-timed" with my daughter and one year old granddaughter who live in Europe. And watched film of the Beatles concert on an English rooftop. I do have to pay a couple bills today, which requires my driveway, which is part of the first turnpike post-Revolutionary War. It is pretty long in the best of weather, and much longer in the winter when I have to shovel snow. When I go to the nearest store, sometimes people greet me as "our hermit friend." Thus, quite often in the winter, I only have to pretend to start shoveling the driveway from where it meets the road, and someone driving by will plow it for me.

When local family farms ended business, "barn cats" started holding cat conventions here. Despite my children's warnings that they would move in my garage, I have continued to serve them a meal when they gather. And I enjoy putting food out for wild life when needed. (That has included my need to watch a pair of gray fox feeding their offspring.)

I'll stop bending your ear soon .... but I like discussing "religion" with some people. Years ago, a good friend was here to watch a boxing match. The winner had thanked god for his victory. My buddy made a joke about god betting Jesus on the fight as I walked him out to his car. It was a beautiful night, and so I asked him to look up at the stars, and asked how it was that he could not accept the fact that we are the exact center of the Universe, and the lord's greatest creation? He said, "You can be such an asshole," shook my hand, and left. I compare that to when I communmicated with an old school mate in 2020, a science teacher in public schools who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old. He assured me that god wanted the felon to be re-elected, and would not allow Biden to win. He said he would explain this in greater detail after the election. I haven't heard back from him.

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Heaven or hell? [View all] imanamerican63 Oct 13 OP
Trump said he was pretty sure he was not getting into heaven Celerity Oct 13 #1
"Limbo" a religious term................. Lovie777 Oct 13 #2
should have asked him if he was going to jail rurallib Oct 13 #3
He's on the road to Perdition Clouds Passing Oct 13 #4
Alex, I'll take "things that are imaginary"... NeoGreen Oct 13 #5
You have to wonder why he's even considering the question. Ocelot II Oct 13 #6
Yes Trump's focus on heaven right now sounds like he has been given a terminal dx. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #26
There is no proof of heaven. SamKnause Oct 13 #7
Depends H2O Man Oct 13 #9
Care to elaborate ??? SamKnause Oct 13 #10
Sure. H2O Man Oct 13 #11
Thanks for your reply and input. SamKnause Oct 13 #12
Really? H2O Man Oct 14 #13
Yes, of course I live in reality. SamKnause Oct 14 #14
That makes sense. H2O Man Oct 14 #15
I live in a rural area. SamKnause Oct 14 #16
Nice! H2O Man Oct 14 #18
Thanks so much for your interesting input. SamKnause Oct 14 #20
Nice! H2O Man Oct 15 #24
That sounds like a lot to deal with. SamKnause Oct 15 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author SamKnause Oct 14 #22
" I think heaven is a destructive force and if deity exists he, she or it's either eveil or useless" bluestarone Oct 14 #19
I agree. SamKnause Oct 14 #21
Religion sure has H2O Man Oct 14 #23
you really shouldn't Skittles Oct 15 #29
Heaven would be Hell to Trump bmichaelh Oct 13 #8
Cake or death? Xavier Breath Oct 14 #17
Just another way of asking "Is he dead yet?" sop Oct 15 #27
Trump is hellbound Coldwater Oct 15 #28
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