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EdmondDantes_

(2,249 posts)
63. Robert Byrd had actions that demonstrated his change
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 02:09 PM
Jun 8

He worked to integrate the capital police, he hired one of the first black congressional aides.

Yes he was deeply problematic at multiple points in his career, but he had demonstrable actions. What has Platner done? And Byrd drew controversy during many portions of his career for his slow evolution on racism.

We're better off without men like Bill Clinton who abused his power on multiple occasions. Not just with Lewinsky but there's allegations as a college professor too.

And now Bill Clinton has been largely sidelined because of his behavior. That's called growth. We should expect better of people today than we did 30 years ago.

You might recall posting that polls show Platner ahead as an example of what the people of Maine want. Ignoring that polls are sometimes wrong, wouldn't that say that in 1952 when Byrd was first elected to Congress and being a klansman was part of that, it was a demonstration of what the voters wanted? Are we unable to criticize as a result? Or to use your example, shouldn't you not criticize Jim Justice because that's clearly what the voters in West Virginia want?

If my choice of options was Jim Justice or an unreformed Byrd, I'm not voting for either because they both suck too much to overlook. If it was reformed Byrd, I'm voting for Byrd but both holding him responsible on the areas he hasn't reformed and working to get a better candidate. But you're skipping right past the reformed part because you want to believe. I want evidence because it's easy to say you've changed and I've been lied to by far too many people who know what they are supposed to say but stop there to believe someone has changed if they don't demonstrate through actions. What did he do on the Sullivan planning board which is his only small d democratic public service (yes he was in the military and the national guard, but that's more doing what you're told)? What was his impact on the Acadia Action group that he was involved with? The former all I see is something about slowing big fields of solar arrays while supporting rooftop solar which seems a reasonable position, but not inherently outstanding position, and nothing more than he was involved with the Acadia Action group. Seems like there should be something concrete in that.

Maybe Platner wins and is everything you believe he will be. That would be great. Maybe he wins and his past (and some of his recent stuff) isn't as gone as you think and that will suck. More likely he lands somewhere in the middle.

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Starting with the WH.................... Lovie777 Jun 8 #1
Waiting for the count to chime in. rzemanfl Jun 8 #2
I didn't want to disappoint you. Intractable Jun 8 #4
Not the one I had in mind, but thanks. rzemanfl Jun 8 #6
Oh fun! Can I play? I can "predict" the dismissals, excuses, ignoring of historical facts and attacking the messenger. QueerDuck Jun 8 #5
Wish I can RECd you unlimited times ExtraGriz Jun 8 #47
It's a given. eShirl Jun 9 #94
A dirty fighter is better than a saint. Democrats should not disqualify anyone without a felony conviction. dalton99a Jun 8 #3
Really good point - and republicans don't even care TBF Jun 8 #13
+1. Democrats should rid themselves of the self-inflicted purity virus and learn to say "SO WHAT" dalton99a Jun 8 #15
Graham Platner BComplex Jun 8 #44
A dirty fighter..... Horseshoeluck Jun 8 #14
Um . WHAT?! "A dirty fighter is better than a saint" BECAUSE?? ColoringFool Jun 8 #45
A counter point EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #7
Maine has had perfectly good candidates in the past ... Ritabert Jun 8 #9
What makes you think he will bring in independents? SamuelAdams Jun 8 #11
Because polling. mr715 Jun 8 #19
The last Democrat to challenge Collins led in all the polls... W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #25
As I said in other polls, so perhaps we should just grieve. mr715 Jun 8 #26
Or elect a better Democrat? This is still the primary, after all. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #27
OK, who do you suggest? I found this on ballot ready TBF Jun 8 #31
If it were up to me, i would vote for Mills. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #33
Much like Speaker Gideon, a stalwart Democrat who lost. mr715 Jun 8 #37
Platner, this alleged """fighter,""" has never even been in an election to lose. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #48
So support Susan Collins. Just own it. Don't keep shoveling this mr715 Jun 8 #51
Except that we are a day before the election TBF Jun 8 #61
She's still on the ballot, as is at least one other alternative. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #67
76% Platner, 10% Mills mr715 Jun 8 #71
Are you saying Sara Gideon wasn't? Emile Jun 8 #32
Gideon wasn't what? W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #36
LOL Emile Jun 8 #38
But our candidate might have a penis. mr715 Jun 8 #40
The primary hasn't even occurred yet. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #50
Devote time to taking down Collins rather than staying silent. mr715 Jun 8 #53
Implicit in your argument is that we lose with Platner. mr715 Jun 8 #39
No, implicit in YOUR argument is that we win with Platner. W_HAMILTON Jun 8 #49
All I hear is sound and fury signifying nothing. mr715 Jun 8 #52
90% of what you say is your incorrect interpretation of life in general questionseverything Jun 8 #10
Of course you do EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #17
THANK YOU!!! niyad Jun 8 #12
I hope you will never be judged by a selective, agenda-driven gotcha of your past words and actions. AloeVera Jun 8 #20
Weird that you claim to be against selective agenda driven gotcha while being selective yourself EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #35
Robert Byrd... mr715 Jun 8 #42
Robert Byrd had actions that demonstrated his change EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #63
So, to be clear, you WOULD vote for former klansman Robert Byrd mr715 Jun 8 #64
That you failed to point to where Platner has demonstrated that growth and improvement is weird EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #86
I'm not his confessor. mr715 Jun 8 #88
I have responded in other threads and replies to you, as you know AloeVera Jun 8 #59
That's an opinion based on what you desperately want to believe EdmondDantes_ Jun 8 #87
If Costello were running against Collins, instead of Platner, who would you vote for? jmbar2 Jun 8 #22
He is polling at 3% so evidently they don't want to vote for him questionseverything Jun 8 #55
The question is... jmbar2 Jun 8 #62
Impossible to answer. mr715 Jun 8 #65
OK, so Platner's probably going to be the candidate. But... jmbar2 Jun 8 #66
There is campaign activity mr715 Jun 8 #68
I take personally the gay slurs. I'm surprised at how many people (and which people) appear to be okay with it. QueerDuck Jun 8 #23
I'm gay and don't care Sympthsical Jun 8 #54
Yep. I couldn't care less if he used the F word. I want him to vote with Democrats and oppose Christian nationalists. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 8 #70
Don't forget about rapist Eric Swalwell. mr715 Jun 8 #73
Some of it is genuinely funny Sympthsical Jun 8 #75
No one? Seriously? --- Well, I care. QueerDuck Jun 8 #78
Oh, there is absolutely privilege at play Sympthsical Jun 8 #79
While I deeply respect the work you have done with LGBTQ youth... QueerDuck Jun 8 #81
It's a matter of priority Sympthsical Jun 8 #85
I appreciate the response, though I think you are creating a false binary. QueerDuck Jun 9 #92
I appreciate your perspective and yes those comments are deserving of condemnation. But what might Nanjeanne Jun 9 #96
Whether or not individuals within a community use certain language with each other is a personal choice. QueerDuck Jun 8 #72
This sounds exhausting Sympthsical Jun 8 #77
No it's not. QueerDuck Jun 8 #80
These statements are incendiary in the extreme, and many of these issues cited BComplex Jun 8 #57
I support Democrats gab13by13 Jun 8 #8
If so many can vote for a Pdeo, Sexual Abuser, multigraincracker Jun 8 #16
Simple logic Bobstandard Jun 8 #18
AND it's another Democratic butt in a Senate chair to help bring us into the majority, and Scrivener7 Jun 8 #82
I wish I could vote for him but I'm in Maryland wolfie001 Jun 8 #21
That's why I disagree with my own Democratic Representative mvd Jun 8 #24
Everything I see says that We the People want to take power from the establishment. flashman13 Jun 8 #28
Wrong Framing! We love imperfects! We hate being lied to. delisen Jun 8 #29
No party is perfect, but at least we try to get better. mr715 Jun 8 #43
Re Platner - if only he had more serious sexual misconduct he could run for POTUS. Vinca Jun 8 #30
This is how I voted in the Texas primary - TBF Jun 8 #34
If I were perfect, I might have a different attitude Bluetus Jun 8 #41
I believe we need to hold our elected representatives to a higher standard, rather than making excuses... QueerDuck Jun 8 #46
I don't believe anybody who says they knew all along that Bluetus Jun 8 #56
Post removed Post removed Jun 8 #58
Okay, FUHGEDDABOUTIT. But One Thing Platner MUST CHANGE..... ColoringFool Jun 8 #60
"...personal imperfection..." MorbidButterflyTat Jun 8 #69
Known as a purity test. Swede Jun 8 #83
I get it MorbidButterflyTat Jun 8 #90
Kick and rec. 58Sunliner Jun 8 #74
Bam SuzyandPuffpuff Jun 8 #76
"personal imperfections" Is that what they're calling Cha Jun 8 #84
I don't know about that MorbidButterflyTat Jun 9 #91
Whining that Democrats want to "rip my life apart" -- help help they're out to get me! betsuni Jun 9 #95
I'm going to take an unpopular position Metaphorical Jun 8 #89
Hear Hear! OldBaldy1701E Jun 9 #93
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